This is absolutely appalling. I can’t believe how the media and public has jump into this head first (blindly); He has not been proven guilty of any offence. This whole story is based on unproven allegations. It has not been tested in our justice system. The statements are only alleged crimes and the probability of him being guilty is only based on the so called victims statements, in every case there is two sides to every story, Mr. Cornelius’s first wife lived there on the property for numerous years together before starting and then raising their young family and due to the isolation of the property she moved to the city. Soon after Mr. Cornelius meet his second partner, she live on the property for over 8 years helping raise his children, she moved on to seek a career in a coastal city, after a year and raising his children be himself Mr. Cornelius meet his 3rd and final partner whom stayed and love him for 18 years but sadly passed away in 2008, Mr. Cornelius’s first wife also passed away around this period, now to dig deeper into why these allegations which suddenly surfaced around 2008, Now two of Mr. Cornelius’s creditable witness (his first wife and last partner) are not alive to give crucial evidence against Mrs. Welsh’s and the group she is heavily associated with and confines to, to dream up these atrocities , yes there is a buried history that one day (and I hope to god it does) will surface around land, greed, illegal activities which were being forced onto Mr. Cornelius but he wouldn’t have a bar of it, so with two of Mr. Cornelius’s partners now dead this group jumps at first light to seek revenge for not complying, I am certainly suggesting he is innocent and so should you, in a civilized society the old adage of innocent until proven guilty must apply and this has not happened here. This is step one on the ladder of histories great atrocities based on hearsay and prejudice and downright false statements! I must admit though Mrs. Welsh sure pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes, oh and talking about eyes in her interviews she sure does blink a lot (Liars blink less frequently than normal during the lie, and then speed up to around eight times faster than usual afterwards). This is where the bullshit stops and the truth starts. This is the mob baying for blood. Whatever you feel about this case the truth has not been tested in a court of law. Accept this as legitimate and you may be the next victim.
Shut it u ..ever heard of stockholm syndrome..why dont u go a live with sum stupid twat like him and get treated like that ...supportin a nonce like him.get a grip ya tit
Certainly you are free to think and say whatever you want but your surely not correct to say that someone else is lying. Like you said "Innocent until proven guilty", was Mrs. Welsh proven guilty of lying about her allegations? No she was not, you weren't there, you don't know, who are you to profess the innocence of an alleged rapist? Try stopping your own Bullshit!
I think everyone should be treated fairly in a court of law but Cindy Lowe you clearly did not follow the case accordingly. Mr Cornelius was not fit to stand trial and so was not put through one. The court did state that there was sufficient evidence that he had committed the crimes he was accused of. Slandering Mrs Welsh is just bad taste. Everyone is allowed thier own opinion and you are allowed yours. I however do not understand how you can judge her and the other victims. Saying that they are making false accusations. Four people do not just make up a story as disturbing as this for fun. You obviously have no faith in your justice system if you believe that the state would take a person to court without evidence that a crime was committed. In my country taking a person to court cost thousands of pounds and that's just for the small crimes. Cases such as this would cost any country a vast amount of money. Therefore your belief of his innocents seems naive. In conclusion I disagree with your statement and feel that it is good that the victims have a little closure from something I wish never to experience.
People like you are the reason why victims don't come forward. You condem them without hearing their testimony. I remember a time when victims were the ones on trial. The accused was not the one on trial. She asked for, she gave a look, the way she was dressed, she had been drinking, danced with the accused, or just talked to the accused. Her sexuality was on trial. How many partners she had. We do not need to go to those days!
Because 7 confirmed other victims give the exact same details of locations and appearance of Bill and his vehicles home land and personality? Don't be ridiculous, if seven people all get this - and are still lying, then tell me how they managed to know that he lives off a private road with many terrain changes and a bridge over a gorge with a cave nearby? Don't be stupid, he's obviously guilty. I also want to know more about this because I want to know what happened to the other kid and I've also read into corruption of the local Raetiti police as Jerry Cornelius (he changed his name in 2008 and moved to Auckland) was a member of the force and invited criminals to grow weed on property nearby to where he and his nefarious brother lived, then he would tip them off to the rest of the force, with another inside officer called Irvine, and create havoc. He also was the last person to see Lionel Russell, an ex prisoner invited to grow weed in the remote areas for 5 months and give it to Jerry who paid the rest of the police to take a blind eye and get it guarded and processed and taken away to be given to Mr Asia, one of the first syndicates and then sold elsewhere, then Lionel decided to leave after 8 weeks as he couldn't hack 12 more in the wilderness, and he was never seen again. Jerry was the last man to see him, before they went into the wild, Lionel was seen with Jerry and another man with a beard and a young boy. Who could that be? The 8 year old boy said on the day Lionel went off he heard a gunshot and Bill came home an hour later and said Lionel has gone off to Australia. Such a dodgy family and local area, way too much going on there and not enough information on it. If it interests you: http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4244425/What-happened-to-Lionel-Russell https://bcops.wordpress.com/loose-lips-sink-ships/
Also watch the film, the monster or magatiti if you haven't already, it helps process all of this information. Very unnerving yet portrayed by a victim herself.
Because 7 confirmed other victims give the exact same details of locations and appearance of Bill and his vehicles home land and personality? Don't be ridiculous, if seven people all get this - and are still lying, then tell me how they managed to know that he lives off a private road with many terrain changes and a bridge over a gorge with a cave nearby? Don't be stupid, he's obviously guilty. I also want to know more about this because I want to know what happened to the other kid and I've also read into corruption of the local Raetiti police as Jerry Cornelius (he changed his name in 2008 and moved to Auckland) was a member of the force and invited criminals to grow weed on property nearby to where he and his nefarious brother lived, then he would tip them off to the rest of the force, with another inside officer called Irvine, and create havoc. He also was the last person to see Lionel Russell, an ex prisoner invited to grow weed in the remote areas for 5 months and give it to Jerry who paid the rest of the police to take a blind eye and get it guarded and processed and taken away to be given to Mr Asia, one of the first syndicates and then sold elsewhere, then Lionel decided to leave after 8 weeks as he couldn't hack 12 more in the wilderness, and he was never seen again. Jerry was the last man to see him, before they went into the wild, Lionel was seen with Jerry and another man with a beard and a young boy. Who could that be? The 8 year old boy said on the day Lionel went off he heard a gunshot and Bill came home an hour later and said Lionel has gone off to Australia. Such a dodgy family and local area, way too much going on there and not enough information on it. If it interests you: http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4244425/What-happened-to-Lionel-Russell https://bcops.wordpress.com/loose-lips-sink-ships/
Also watch the film, the monster or magatiti if you haven't already, it helps process all of this information. Very unnerving yet portrayed by a victim herself.
That was my only question after viewing the movie....upon research I could only find one article with mention of one of his boys, I believe he (Brent, but he has a different first name Brent is the middle name) received some jail time for assaulting a young boy with a lead pipe. I've found nothing of Chet, also a middle name
I believe ever word she said . Yes there is court system but this man did those things .I hope he meets his judgement. I felt bad for those boys , because we all know they probably, grew up just a sick as their father so sad. But I couldn't even imagine her life all those years in fear.
This is absolutely appalling. I can’t believe how the media and public has jump into this head first (blindly); He has not been proven guilty of any offence. This whole story is based on unproven allegations. It has not been tested in our justice system. The statements are only alleged crimes and the probability of him being guilty is only based on the so called victims statements, in every case there is two sides to every story, Mr. Cornelius’s first wife lived there on the property for numerous years together before starting and then raising their young family and due to the isolation of the property she moved to the city. Soon after Mr. Cornelius meet his second partner, she live on the property for over 8 years helping raise his children, she moved on to seek a career in a coastal city, after a year and raising his children be himself Mr. Cornelius meet his 3rd and final partner whom stayed and love him for 18 years but sadly passed away in 2008, Mr. Cornelius’s first wife also passed away around this period, now to dig deeper into why these allegations which suddenly surfaced around 2008, Now two of Mr. Cornelius’s creditable witness (his first wife and last partner) are not alive to give crucial evidence against Mrs. Welsh’s and the group she is heavily associated with and confines to, to dream up these atrocities , yes there is a buried history that one day (and I hope to god it does) will surface around land, greed, illegal activities which were being forced onto Mr. Cornelius but he wouldn’t have a bar of it, so with two of Mr. Cornelius’s partners now dead this group jumps at first light to seek revenge for not complying, I am certainly suggesting he is innocent and so should you, in a civilized society the old adage of innocent until proven guilty must apply and this has not happened here. This is step one on the ladder of histories great atrocities based on hearsay and prejudice and downright false statements! I must admit though Mrs. Welsh sure pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes, oh and talking about eyes in her interviews she sure does blink a lot (Liars blink less frequently than normal during the lie, and then speed up to around eight times faster than usual afterwards). This is where the bullshit stops and the truth starts. This is the mob baying for blood. Whatever you feel about this case the truth has not been tested in a court of law. Accept this as legitimate and you may be the next victim.
ReplyDeleteShut it u ..ever heard of stockholm syndrome..why dont u go a live with sum stupid twat like him and get treated like that ...supportin a nonce like him.get a grip ya tit
DeleteGet your head out of the sand. My question is what happened to the boys
DeleteGet your head out of the sand. My question is what happened to the boys
DeleteCindy is an idiot
DeleteCertainly you are free to think and say whatever you want but your surely not correct to say that someone else is lying. Like you said "Innocent until proven guilty", was Mrs. Welsh proven guilty of lying about her allegations? No she was not, you weren't there, you don't know, who are you to profess the innocence of an alleged rapist? Try stopping your own Bullshit!
ReplyDeleteI think everyone should be treated fairly in a court of law but Cindy Lowe you clearly did not follow the case accordingly. Mr Cornelius was not fit to stand trial and so was not put through one. The court did state that there was sufficient evidence that he had committed the crimes he was accused of.
ReplyDeleteSlandering Mrs Welsh is just bad taste. Everyone is allowed thier own opinion and you are allowed yours. I however do not understand how you can judge her and the other victims. Saying that they are making false accusations. Four people do not just make up a story as disturbing as this for fun.
You obviously have no faith in your justice system if you believe that the state would take a person to court without evidence that a crime was committed. In my country taking a person to court cost thousands of pounds and that's just for the small crimes. Cases such as this would cost any country a vast amount of money. Therefore your belief of his innocents seems naive.
In conclusion I disagree with your statement and feel that it is good that the victims have a little closure from something I wish never to experience.
People like you are the reason why victims don't come forward. You condem them without hearing their testimony.
ReplyDeleteI remember a time when victims were the ones on trial. The accused was not the one on trial. She asked for, she gave a look, the way she was dressed, she had been drinking, danced with the accused, or just talked to the accused. Her sexuality was on trial. How many partners she had.
We do not need to go to those days!
Because 7 confirmed other victims give the exact same details of locations and appearance of Bill and his vehicles home land and personality?
ReplyDeleteDon't be ridiculous, if seven people all get this - and are still lying, then tell me how they managed to know that he lives off a private road with many terrain changes and a bridge over a gorge with a cave nearby? Don't be stupid, he's obviously guilty. I also want to know more about this because I want to know what happened to the other kid and I've also read into corruption of the local Raetiti police as Jerry Cornelius (he changed his name in 2008 and moved to Auckland) was a member of the force and invited criminals to grow weed on property nearby to where he and his nefarious brother lived, then he would tip them off to the rest of the force, with another inside officer called Irvine, and create havoc. He also was the last person to see Lionel Russell, an ex prisoner invited to grow weed in the remote areas for 5 months and give it to Jerry who paid the rest of the police to take a blind eye and get it guarded and processed and taken away to be given to Mr Asia, one of the first syndicates and then sold elsewhere, then Lionel decided to leave after 8 weeks as he couldn't hack 12 more in the wilderness, and he was never seen again. Jerry was the last man to see him, before they went into the wild, Lionel was seen with Jerry and another man with a beard and a young boy. Who could that be? The 8 year old boy said on the day Lionel went off he heard a gunshot and Bill came home an hour later and said Lionel has gone off to Australia. Such a dodgy family and local area, way too much going on there and not enough information on it.
If it interests you:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4244425/What-happened-to-Lionel-Russell
https://bcops.wordpress.com/loose-lips-sink-ships/
Also watch the film, the monster or magatiti if you haven't already, it helps process all of this information. Very unnerving yet portrayed by a victim herself.
Because 7 confirmed other victims give the exact same details of locations and appearance of Bill and his vehicles home land and personality?
ReplyDeleteDon't be ridiculous, if seven people all get this - and are still lying, then tell me how they managed to know that he lives off a private road with many terrain changes and a bridge over a gorge with a cave nearby? Don't be stupid, he's obviously guilty. I also want to know more about this because I want to know what happened to the other kid and I've also read into corruption of the local Raetiti police as Jerry Cornelius (he changed his name in 2008 and moved to Auckland) was a member of the force and invited criminals to grow weed on property nearby to where he and his nefarious brother lived, then he would tip them off to the rest of the force, with another inside officer called Irvine, and create havoc. He also was the last person to see Lionel Russell, an ex prisoner invited to grow weed in the remote areas for 5 months and give it to Jerry who paid the rest of the police to take a blind eye and get it guarded and processed and taken away to be given to Mr Asia, one of the first syndicates and then sold elsewhere, then Lionel decided to leave after 8 weeks as he couldn't hack 12 more in the wilderness, and he was never seen again. Jerry was the last man to see him, before they went into the wild, Lionel was seen with Jerry and another man with a beard and a young boy. Who could that be? The 8 year old boy said on the day Lionel went off he heard a gunshot and Bill came home an hour later and said Lionel has gone off to Australia. Such a dodgy family and local area, way too much going on there and not enough information on it.
If it interests you:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4244425/What-happened-to-Lionel-Russell
https://bcops.wordpress.com/loose-lips-sink-ships/
Also watch the film, the monster or magatiti if you haven't already, it helps process all of this information. Very unnerving yet portrayed by a victim herself.
What happened to this mans children?
ReplyDeleteThat was my only question after viewing the movie....upon research I could only find one article with mention of one of his boys, I believe he (Brent, but he has a different first name Brent is the middle name) received some jail time for assaulting a young boy with a lead pipe. I've found nothing of Chet, also a middle name
DeleteI cant find any info on the sons of this monster. I felt so bad for the young boys in the hands of their father
DeleteI believe ever word she said . Yes there is court system but this man did those things .I hope he meets his judgement. I felt bad for those boys , because we all know they probably, grew up just a sick as their father so sad. But I couldn't even imagine her life all those years in fear.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe that in this day & time people still victim shame. SMH
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